Is it just me or are Fallout 3/TTW DLCs kinda broken? (The Pitt, Mothership Zeta)

[Postal-Dude]

I am really confused. I played both Mothership Zeta and The Pitt and got really annoying issues in both. Zeta constantly crashed. Probably like 20 times in my playthrough and The Pitt often loaded cells wrong and then I had missing meshes on random objects, hardcore lag and even crashes. Reloading a save always fixed this issue but still... Are these issues known or is something wrong with my modbuild?

It is really weird because the maingame runs absolutely perfect and I had only 2 random crashes in 50 hours.

[Lyndi]

You must have other issues. I've gone through the FO3 DLC's several times while building and testing some mods with no issues. Nothing like what you've described anyway.

[Postal-Dude]

Weird. The thing is, I last played through Fallout 3/TTW like 4 years ago with the old TTW V2 version and I remember having similar issues then but cant remember that good.
Maybe its still the same mod conflicting but I dunno... I also remember that some other people complained about Zeta crashing quite often, especially in the Steamworks level (Had 8 crashes there). No idea about Pitt. The thing is, Pitt usually loads just fine but sometimes, very randomly the cells load incorrect and I get missing meshes and textures. Reloading fixes it so it isnt a permanent problem, which usually dont sound like a mod conflict.

Ah hell. Here is also a mod/plugin load order list but it would really wonder me if those are fault. Not like I use many or any that are supposed to change the TTW DLCs.

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Mod load order (MO2)

"0001","DLC: DeadMoney"
"0002","DLC: HonestHearts"
"0003","DLC: OldWorldBlues"
"0004","DLC: LonesomeRoad"
"0005","DLC: GunRunnersArsenal"
"0006","DLC: ClassicPack"
"0007","DLC: CaravanPack"
"0008","DLC: MercenaryPack"
"0009","DLC: TribalPack"
"0011","TTW 3.2.2"
"0013","No More Black Rectangle For Ultrawide and Triple Display Setups"
"0014","Unofficial Patch NVSE"
"0015","JohnnyGuitar NVSE Plugin + Others"
"0016","JIP LN NVSE Plugin"
"0018","NVTF - New Vegas Tick Fix"
"0019","NVAC - New Vegas Anti Crash"
"0020","JIP MiniMap"
"0021","Better Saves"
"0022","lStewieAl's Tweaks"
"0024","Clicking Ambient Sound FIX"
"0025","No Snow in Globes Snowglobe Performance"
"0027","Vanilla Weapons Upscaled 4X TTW"
"0028","Charges FNV HD Texture Packs - All-In-One + DLC 4X 1.13"
"0029","Ojo Bueno Texture Pack for FNV - ULTRA"
"0030","NMC Texture Pack - Ultra TTW"
"0032","Main Menu Logo Fallout 4 Style TTW"
"0033","Vanilla Loading Screens HD"
"0034","FO3 Loading Screens Remastered"
"0035","Vault Door Loading Wheel"
"0036","4k Realistic Pip-Boy Retexture"
"0037","Recovering Wasteland TTW"
"0039","UIO - User Interface Organizer"
"0040","The Mod Configuration Menu"
"0041","The Weapon Mod Menu"
"0042","The HUD Editor"
"0043","One HUD - oHUD"
"0044","Vanilla UI Plus"
"0045","Vanilla HUD Remastered"
"0046","Vanilla UI Plus Remastered Patch"
"0047","Vanilla UI Plus Revelation"
"0048","CALIFORNIA Fonts for Vanilla"
"0049","FOV Slider"
"0050","Just Mods Assorted"
"0051","Minimalistic Crosshairs"
"0052","Clean Pipboy Screen"
"0053","Consistent Pip-Boy Icons"
"0054","Improved Minimal Crosshairs"
"0057","TYPE4 - Body and Armors TTW"
"0058","Roberts Male Body"
"0059","Roberts Type 4 Patch TTW"
"0061","Enhanced Blood Textures for NV v2.22c"
"0063","EXE - Effect teXtures Enhanced"
"0065","Natural Waters"
"0066","DYNAVISION 3 - Total Visual Enhancement"
"0069","Ragdolls TTW"
"0071","BLEED TTW"
"0073","Ragdolls and Bleed Compatibility - TTW"
"0080","NPCs Sprint In Combat"
"0084","Intimacy Overhaul"
"0091","Intimacy Overhaul TTW Patch"
"0093","Intimacy Overhaul Fuckable Companions TTW Patch"
"0096","Fuckable Companions TTW"
"0098","Weapon Mod Vending Machine TTW"
"0099","TTW Creature Mod"
"0102","Armour Repair Kits"
"0103","Brighter Larger Radius Pip-Boy Light"
"0104","TTW Wasteland Sounds"
"0105","True Fallout 3 Aiming"
"0117","The TTW Interiors Project"
"0118","The TTW Interiors Project Combo Edition"
"0121","TTW Another Interior Mod"
"0122","TTW Street Lights"
"0124","Collapsed DC TTW"
"0139","Tenpenny Tower Quest Redux TTW"
"0179","Realistic Wasteland Lighting TTW"

Plugin Load order:

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
FalloutNV.esm
DeadMoney.esm
HonestHearts.esm
OldWorldBlues.esm
LonesomeRoad.esm
GunRunnersArsenal.esm
Fallout3.esm
Anchorage.esm
ThePitt.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm
CaravanPack.esm
ClassicPack.esm
MercenaryPack.esm
TribalPack.esm
TaleOfTwoWastelands.esm
YUPTTW.esm
oHUD.esm
TTWInteriors_Core.esm
TTWInteriorsProject_Combo.esm
Street Lights TTW.esm
AnotherInteriorMod.esm
CollapsedDC.esm
WMVM.esm
IntimacyOverhaul_v1.0.esm
Tenpenny Tower Quest - Redux.esm
Unofficial Patch NVSE.esp
The Mod Configuration Menu.esp
The Weapon Mod Menu.esp
Vanilla UI Plus.esp
FOVSlider.esp
DYNAVISION 3.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp
CollapsedDC.esp
JIP MiniMap.esp
JustModsAssorted.esp
BLEED.esp
Unofficial Patch NVSE - Pyromaniac.esp
RagdollsTTW.esp
NPCsSprint.esp
TTW Creatures Mod.esp
HUDEditor.esp
IntimacyOverhaul TTW Patch.esp
BetterSaves.esp
TTWSoundSwitch.esp
ArmourRepairKits.esp
T4-plugin-TTW.esp
Roberts_NewVegas.esp
Roberts - Type 4 Patch - TTW.esp
BLEEDTTW+RagdollsTTW.esp
FuckableCompanions_TTW.esp
IntimacyOverhaul FuckableTTW Patch.esp
NukaCola-Ojo.esp
NaturalWaters.esp
pipboyx3.esp
MergedTTW.esp
TTW Realistic Wasteland Lighting.esp

[RoyBatty]

Roberts causes issues with Type4 armors, had someone in the discord already discover that
UPNVSE is redundant
using a bunch of texture packs with 2k/4k will also cause many issues.
Better saves is redundant, use stewies tweaks
Enhanced blood is placebo (blood in F3/NV is done by the engine and doesn't use textures/decals)
Dynavision has some script issues

[Postal-Dude]

Roberts causes issues with Type4 armors, had someone in the discord already discover that
UPNVSE is redundant
using a bunch of texture packs with 2k/4k will also cause many issues.
Better saves is redundant, use stewies tweaks
Enhanced blood is placebo (blood in F3/NV is done by the engine and doesn't use textures/decals)
Dynavision has some script issues

Roberts: I know, that is why I got a TTW Type 4 patch also which seems to work fine. However, it seems like Roberts itself isnt properly optimized for TTW such as the Pitt Raider bodies being weirdly displayed, females all work perfect. Here is a patch btw, you also need a old version from Type 4 I think, which I have: https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/67320

UPNVSE: Really? Is it integrated into YUP? If so I guess I will remove it.

Texture packs: Yeah I know they put heavy load on the game and the RAM, which I bypassed with ENBBoost, so far didnt have any texture problems. Game also loads within 1-2 seconds, got M2 SSD. But if there are any other issues, feel free to tell me. I override most with NMC anyway. Its just to upscale all the other textures that NMC doesnt provide.

Better Saves:
Yeah I actually knew that lol, just didnt get around to write the save stuff into stewies tweaks... Kinda incredible what those tweaks can all do.

Enhanced Blood: Really? I always felt like it displays more blood decals and the blood on floors is HQ. Then again I cannot remember playing without this in years... Maybe you are right, dunno.

Dynavision: I actually only use the color tweaks such as more saturation. Everything else is disabled. Didnt notice any issues. What script issues do you mean?

Thanks for the tips Roy. But which of these would collide with the DLCs? I dont see a reason why they would but then again I can try to disable them and if anything fixes the problem.

[Lyndi]

If I recall the problems some people had in Zeta were related to too many texture packs. Zeta is hard on the engine as it is and people dumping loads of 4k texture packs on top of that caused the whole thing to crap itself. ENBBoost won't save you.

EDIT: Pitt is the same way come to think of it. Particularly with the effects in the steel mill.

[Postal-Dude]

Really? Lol. Never heard of something like this. How weird. I will try and see disabling any will fix it. I hope disabling Charges 4x pack is enough since that pretty much upscales all FNV textures to 4x the size. The rest is pretty much just NMC. Since I am at it I will also follow Roys tips and remove some of the unneeded mods.

[RoyBatty]

If you checked UPNVSE credits, I contribute a great deal to the mod and he shares his fixes with me so they are integrated into TTW mostly, I just gave him some more stuff from TTW 3.3.

I would guess ragdolls might be causing issues, MadAce didn't test it.

I mean even type 4 with the armor patch are not always the best made things, but it's probably ragdolls since it changes skeletons.

Yes, Enhanced Blood is placebo mostly, the screen platter is changed, and the static blood decals placed around the world. Dynamic blood is totally done by the engine and doesn't use any textures at all, it's not like Skyrim and on.

[jlf65]

The last time I had issues like you describe was after I ran LODGen. Some areas looked fantastic, but others, like Broken Steel and the TTW train station, looked broken. Disabling all the new LOD files generated (into their own folder, thankfully, which made it easy to disable) fixed everything.

[Postal-Dude]

Well how weird. I did all the changes to my mod build and tested this problem further. I even went so far to disable all mods except TTW 3.3.2 and... I still have the problem. Therefore the problem must either be in TTW or some of the ini edits. EDIT: I also now created fresh new inis from scratch. Problem still persists. Guess I just give up, cant track the issue down. Maybe something with my TTW files.