Help with load order?

Post by **Kuro_Neko** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:17 am

With my current load order I'm CTD just before the main menu loads. There's nothing wrong with the core files cause I disabled everything except for fo3 fonv and ttw core files and it loaded fine. I've read over the load order general guide and followed its instructions but that doesn't seem to have helped. I could go through it mod by mod but that would take forever considering how long it takes the game to load each time. So I hoped someone would be able to glance at my load order and tell me if there's an incompatible mod in there or if it's a load order issue or what have you. Thanks in advance.

[collapsed title=Load Order]FalloutNV.esm

DeadMoney.esm

HonestHearts.esm

OldWorldBlues.esm

LonesomeRoad.esm

GunRunnersArsenal.esm

CaravanPack.esm

ClassicPack.esm

MercenaryPack.esm

TribalPack.esm

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

TaleOfTwoWastelands.esm

TTWFixes.esm

TTWInteriors_Core.esm

Inventory Access.esm

Ambient Temperature.esm

Destruction.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

CFWTTW.esm

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.esm

AWorldOfPainFO3.esm

TTWInteriorsProject_Combo.esm

MoiraCompanion.esm

NVWillow.esp

TTW Redesigned.esm

oHUD.esm

Project Nevada - Core.esm

Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp

Project Nevada - Equipment.esm

Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp

TTWInt_FollowerGoHome.esm

NevadaSkies.esm

Detect Traps.esm

Advanced Recon Tech.esm

roadwardens_0.esm

bookvalue1.esp

JIP Selective-Fire.esm

More Perks.esp

TTWOptions.esp

TTW_Companions_Essential.esp

TTW_StashPackOptions.esp

TTW Perk Overhaul.esp

ttw_-_eye_glasses_fix_0.esp

TTW_StartupMenu.esp

TTW Vehicle Scavenge.esp

MTC Wasteland Travellers.esp

Busworld.esp

TTW_Realistic Exploding Cars .esp

Vending Machines of The Wastes.esp

DarNifiedUINV.esp

The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

The Weapon Mod Menu.esp

CASM with MCM.esp

FlashlightNVSE.esp

WeaponModsExpanded.esp

Armored Duster.esp

Advanced Recon Tech.esp

Advanced Recon Armor.esp

Advanced Recon Armor-Easier Stealth.esp

Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp

Advanced Recon Riot Gear Helmet.esp

Advanced Recon Gear.esp

Advanced Recon Tech - Detect Traps.esp

Advanced Recon Gear - Project Nevada.esp

Advanced Recon Desert Ranger Helmet.esp

Riot Gear Neck Cover.esp

AG Supplementary Uniques-AllInOne.esp

AG Supplementary Uniques-GRA.esp

ZLArmaments-NoCaliberX.esp

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Store.esp

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Honest.Hearts.Grunt.Patch.esp

weapons.of_.the_.new_.millenia.ttw_.unified.distribution.esp

TTW_replacers.esp

Detect Traps - Perk.esp

Detect Traps - Traponator 4000.esp

Dark Justice Duster.esp

Detect Traps - DLC.esp

TTW Advanced Recon.esp

Lookout Outfits.esp

T3_leather armors.esp

Tattered_suits.esp

MagazinesReworked.esp

LFox Bottle That Water - TTW Edition.esp

risesbooks MagRwrkd.esp

Powered Power Armor.esp

TTW Interiors - Powered Power Armor Patch.esp

BBBackpacks-v1-1.esp

NVT3Tattered Suits.esp

Type3 Leather Armors.esp

MobileAutoSorter.esp

Vera.esp

josexysleepwear.esp

bzArmour.esp

T3T_LCA_TTW_ImprovedNtlGuardArmory.esp

T3T_LCA_TTW_ImprovedWheatonArmory.esp

ttwweaponmods_0.esp

pre-war_money.esp

Real Weapon Names.esp

Perks for Challenges.esp

Owned!.esp

ttw_wildwasteland.esp

WastelandFreelancer.esp

NevadaSkies - Darker Nights.esp

Ambient Temperature - PPA.esp

Project Nevada - PPA Patch.esp

Project Nevada - TTW.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod Merged Patch Helper.esp

Stealth Kills Enabled.esp

BulkAmmoCrafting.esp

BoostedSkills.esp

Delay DLC - TTW.esp

LightSaber--TTW.esp

Megaton Shack MB.esp

TTW_Difficult_Journey.esp

moremapmarkersttw_0.esp

TTWIntMojaveExpressBoxes_Combo.esp

gunsmithingttwrevamp_0.esp

TTW_Crashed_Vertibird.esp

TRC - Thachor's Random Content.esp

receipe_book_0.esp

SW_TTW-DropBox.esp

Megaton Shack MB.esp_eng

OldWorldRadio.esp

X-1_Tales_of_Wonder!.esp

RadioClassical.esp

Existence2.0.esp

RadioClassical - Tune Dead Radios.esp

christinecos.esp

HZSmoothLight.esp

CONELRAD 640-1240.esp

SephTTWRaiderLootIntegration.esp

combattest.esp

ttw-wastelandpuree.esp

TTW_Transportalponder.esp

DumpIt.esp

HowdahFix.esp

MauserFix.esp

DartgunFix.esp

oven_cooking.esp

dc_ammo_conversion.esp

ttw_-_add_4_eyes_to_power_helmets_-_overrride.esp

ttw_guaranteed_ammo.esp

karmafix.esp

nowarp_0.esp

javm.esp

radios.esp

nvradioon.esp

NPCs Consume Ammo.esp

Stimpak Counter.esp

NVWillow - Project Nevada Rebalance.esp

mergedpatch0.esp

TTW Realistic Wasteland Lighting.esp

NevadaSkies - URLIFIED Interiors.esp

NevadaSkies - TTW Edition.esp

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Total active plugins: 159

Total plugins: 170

Post by **RoyBatty** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:56 am

Total active plugins: 159

There's your problem.

Post by **Kuro_Neko** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:10 am

Thank you for the quick response. Could you please elaborate on that? I assume you mean that's too many, yes? What max number should I aim to stay under? Any suggestions on which mods to drop?

Post by **CDTalmas** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:13 am

I believe the magic number is somewhere around 130. Try to shoot for under that.

Post by **Kuro_Neko** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:01 am

Ok that seems to have done it. I got it down to 125 and I no longer CTD on main menu. Thanks alot for the help guys. I'll start playing and fingers crossed nothing further goes wrong. Thanks again.

Post by **Kuro_Neko** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:22 am

Ok, new problem. I'm having an odd facal texture issue. I'm getting these grey-green patches on the characters' faces. I think they're indicating something wants to use a different hair/facial hair style since at least on the overseer there's definitely the outline of a larger beard. But I don't have anything running that affects faces except TTW Redesigned, at least that I know of. here's my new load list in case it matters:

[collapsed title=Load Order]

FalloutNV.esm

DeadMoney.esm

HonestHearts.esm

OldWorldBlues.esm

LonesomeRoad.esm

GunRunnersArsenal.esm

CaravanPack.esm

ClassicPack.esm

MercenaryPack.esm

TribalPack.esm

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

TaleOfTwoWastelands.esm

TTWFixes.esm

TTWInteriors_Core.esm

Inventory Access.esm

Destruction.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

CFWTTW.esm

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.esm

AWorldOfPainFO3.esm

TTWInteriorsProject_Combo.esm

MoiraCompanion.esm

NVWillow.esp

TTW Redesigned.esm

oHUD.esm

Project Nevada - Core.esm

Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp

Project Nevada - Equipment.esm

Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp

TTWInt_FollowerGoHome.esm

NevadaSkies.esm

Advanced Recon Tech.esm

JIP Selective-Fire.esm

More Perks.esp

TTWOptions.esp

TTW_Companions_Essential.esp

TTW_StashPackOptions.esp

TTW Perk Overhaul.esp

ttw_-_eye_glasses_fix_0.esp

TTW_StartupMenu.esp

Vending Machines of The Wastes.esp

DarNifiedUINV.esp

The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

The Weapon Mod Menu.esp

CASM with MCM.esp

FlashlightNVSE.esp

WeaponModsExpanded.esp

Armored Duster.esp

Advanced Recon Tech.esp

Advanced Recon Armor.esp

Advanced Recon Armor-Easier Stealth.esp

Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp

Advanced Recon Riot Gear Helmet.esp

Advanced Recon Gear.esp

Advanced Recon Gear - Project Nevada.esp

Advanced Recon Desert Ranger Helmet.esp

Riot Gear Neck Cover.esp

AG Supplementary Uniques-AllInOne.esp

AG Supplementary Uniques-GRA.esp

ZLArmaments-NoCaliberX.esp

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Store.esp

Weapons.of.the.New.Millenia.Honest.Hearts.Grunt.Patch.esp

weapons.of_.the_.new_.millenia.ttw_.unified.distribution.esp

TTW_replacers.esp

Dark Justice Duster.esp

TTW Advanced Recon.esp

Lookout Outfits.esp

T3_leather armors.esp

MagazinesReworked.esp

LFox Bottle That Water - TTW Edition.esp

risesbooks MagRwrkd.esp

BBBackpacks-v1-1.esp

NVT3Tattered Suits.esp

Type3 Leather Armors.esp

Vera.esp

josexysleepwear.esp

bzArmour.esp

T3T_LCA_TTW_ImprovedNtlGuardArmory.esp

T3T_LCA_TTW_ImprovedWheatonArmory.esp

ttwweaponmods_0.esp

pre-war_money.esp

Real Weapon Names.esp

Perks for Challenges.esp

Owned!.esp

Project Nevada - TTW.esp

Stealth Kills Enabled.esp

BulkAmmoCrafting.esp

BoostedSkills.esp

Delay DLC - TTW.esp

LightSaber--TTW.esp

TTW_Difficult_Journey.esp

moremapmarkersttw_0.esp

TTWIntMojaveExpressBoxes_Combo.esp

TTW_Crashed_Vertibird.esp

OldWorldRadio.esp

X-1_Tales_of_Wonder!.esp

RadioClassical.esp

Existence2.0.esp

christinecos.esp

HZSmoothLight.esp

CONELRAD 640-1240.esp

SephTTWRaiderLootIntegration.esp

TTW_Transportalponder.esp

dc_ammo_conversion.esp

ttw_-_add_4_eyes_to_power_helmets_-_overrride.esp

ttw_guaranteed_ammo.esp

karmafix.esp

nowarp_0.esp

javm.esp

radios.esp

nvradioon.esp

NPCs Consume Ammo.esp

Stimpak Counter.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod Merged Patch Helper.esp

NVWillow - Project Nevada Rebalance.esp

mergedpatch3.esp

TTW Realistic Wasteland Lighting.esp

NevadaSkies - Darker Nights.esp

NevadaSkies - URLIFIED Interiors.esp

NevadaSkies - TTW Edition.esp

Total active plugins: 125

Total plugins: 171

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I made sure that bLoadFaceGenHeadEGTFiles=1 in both fallout_default.ini and fallout.ini as the TTW_Redesigned readme said too.

Could it be something to do with archive Invalidation? I downloaded the archiveinvalidationinvalidated!.bsa for FONV, put it into my data folder, and inserted the below entry into both fallout.ini and fallout_default.ini. Does the entry need to be different for TTW?

[collapsed title=archive invalidation ini entry]

[Archive]

SInvalidationFile=

iRetainFilenameOffsetTable=1

iRetainFilenameStringTable=1

iRetainDirectoryStringTable=1

bCheckRuntimeCollisions=0

bInvalidateOlderFiles=1

bUseArchives=1

SArchiveList=Fallout - Voices1.bsa, Fallout - Sound.bsa, Fallout - Misc.bsa, ArchiveInvalidationInvalidated!.bsa, Fallout - Textures.bsa, Fallout - Textures2.bsa, Fallout - Meshes.bsa

[/collapsed]

I did notice there were two entries for caucasian in the character creator (not the same, one only had a few presets, the other the full selection) which was odd and might have something to do with it. No idea what would cause that though.

Any help anyone could offer would be greatly appreciated.

Post by **JaxFirehart** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:35 am

The game still loads plugins that are in your data folder, even if they aren't ticked as active, so make sure that you UNINSTALL any unused mods instead of simply deactivating them.

Your archive invalidation looks fine. More likely than not it is an issue caused by all the vestigial plugins in your data folder. If not, it is a mod conflict of some sort. FNVEdit can show you which mods are conflicting and where, but it requires reading the FNVEdit training manual first.

Post by **Kuro_Neko** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:17 am

Ah ha! I did not know that. I followed your advice and that cleared up the issue. Thank you very much.

Post by TJ » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:43 pm

[quote=Kuro_Neko]I did not know that.[/quote]

We've found that most people don't.

Post by **JaxFirehart** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:00 pm

And, honestly, why should they? That makes absolutely no sense.