Two types of .32 Ammo

Post by **slaya33** » Sat May 30, 2015 7:09 pm

Every time I find .32 ammo, I get two types. Usually, I get 1 bullet of the firs ttype, and around 8 of the second, per container. The issue is that most weapons can only use the first type, which I find much too sparingly to actually make use of. I've been using the second type to craft .308 rounds, as they don't seem to be much use for anything else.

To add to that, I'm playing in Hardcore and most ammo types have weight like they should. However, both aforementioned .32 rounds are weightless. Also, most energy weapons ammo types are weightless, too, such as Energy Cells, MF Cells, and Electron Charge Packs. Mini nukes and missile are also weightless.

I assume my issues are caused by some conflict between Project Nevada and CFW, but I don't know where I'd go to fix them. I have no idea how to use FNVEdit, so I would appreciate any help or tips on a better location to post this.

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Post by **slaya33** » Sat May 30, 2015 7:31 pm

I assume one of my mods adds it back in, such as CFWTTW. I can ask about that first issue in the mod's thread, then.

I still need help with the weightless ammo types, though, if possible.

Post by **RoyBatty** » Sat May 30, 2015 11:00 pm

Not sure what would be causing the other ammos to have no weight. There are 3 kinds of .32 ammo in CFWTTW, but only one kind of the base ammo. The other 2 are like NV, +P and HP iirc. If you are getting two different kind of .32 regular, then something is wrong. There are issues and bugs in CFWTTW that are not fixed yet, the mod was being overhauled by plumjuice but he disappeared again (sadly). I can fix some of the nagging bugs and toss up an ESM patch, but I'll have to check it against the current one as I think it got forked a bit at some point.

I see some old hotfixes in your load order, are you using the current version of TTW? You should take those out of your load order if so.

Also you have no merge patch, merge patches are REQUIRED if you want things to play nicely together. This may be the cause of some of your issues. Also, move RWL last in your load order always.

Post by **slaya33** » Sun May 31, 2015 12:37 am

I am receiving two kinds of regular .32 ammo, not different types such as +P and HP. I assume the old hotfixes are mzinertiafix_2 and charon_fix? I just upgraded to 2.9 and couldn't remember which hotfixes went with 2.8, so I didn't want to mess anything up by deleting a mod that I thought was unnecessary but actually wasn't.

I'll try looking up how to create a merge patch, and come back with the results. Thanks for your help.

EDIT: I used FNVEdit to create a merged patch, but it didn't fix either of my issues. I also moved RWL to the bottom and removed the aforementioned two hotfixes.

Post by **RoyBatty** » Sun May 31, 2015 2:21 am

Well, you shouldn't have two types of .32 ... dunno why you do. I'll go over my esm and fix the stuff that doesn't have to do with the assets and post it up later.

Post by **deadboy** » Sun May 31, 2015 2:22 am

Have you checked their baseforms in console to maybe get an idea of where they are coming from?

Post by **Puppettron** » Sun May 31, 2015 7:06 am

i can confirm mzinertiafix isn't needed in 2.9+

as for the ammo situation, what is likely happening is that you have a mod overwriting TTW's ammo changes with fo3 vanilla stuff. fo3 vanilla had weightless ammo -- it didn't even have a record for weight in the ammo records.

what i'd do to narrow this stuff down is drop the offending ammo on the ground, console, click the ammo and type gbo. that'll return the base object of the ammo lying there, which will in-turn tell you which load order slot it's coming from. if that ammo's coming from fo3 (06 or 0a, depending on whether you're using the stash packs), then look it up in edit to see what else is using it. for .32 ammo, the reference list in vanilla TTW is just entries in fo3+dlc+ttw. it's all overwritten in TTW.esm to use the proper ammo substitutions (and there's 2 recipes for converting .32 into .22LR and .308 in case of bad modding)

Post by **slaya33** » Sun May 31, 2015 7:58 am

I found that the usable .32 ammo is coming from CFWTTW.esm, while the unusable ammo is coming from Fallout3.esm. Do I just type the code in to the "FormID" search box in FNVEdit to find it what references it? I'm sorry, I'm still very much a noob at modding.

Edit: I also checked the ID for my weightless MF Cell, and it has a 00 at the front, meaning it comes from regular New Vegas. Why would it be weightless, then?

Edit2: I found the culprit for the weightless ammo. It was the Destruction mod. It overwrites the destructible ammunition types with weightless versions, hence why my only weightless ammo types were energy weapon ammo and explosives. I've seen other people with the same .32 ammo issue both on this forum and with my brother, so I'm going to assume that's coming due to a bug or incompatibility with CFWTTW and something else.

Post by **Puppettron** » Sun May 31, 2015 6:02 pm

check the references of the fo3 .32 ammo to figure out what's using it besides fo3+dlc+ttw. if there's nothing there, check the LLs it belongs to to see what's altering them after ttw.

Post by **slaya33** » Sun May 31, 2015 6:36 pm

I'm sorry, I can't for the life of me figure out how to check for references in FNVEdit.