Two types of .32 Ammo

Post by **Puppettron** » Sun May 31, 2015 6:58 pm

right pane, bottom tab, references(number)

Post by **slaya33** » Sun May 31, 2015 7:13 pm

The unusable (FO3) ammo only seems to be referenced in Fallout 3's DLC and TTW. The usable (CFW) ammo is referenced only by CFWTTW. How would I go about checking leveled lists?

Post by **Puppettron** » Sun May 31, 2015 7:29 pm

rightclick left pane > other > build reference info, pick fo3 at least, then check the references again, it should show the Leveled Items (LVLI is the abbreviation) it's used in with FO3.esm, you can pull those up (doubleclick the item in references) to look at them. Ammos are generally in nesting LLs, like <ammo>75 and <ammo>75Scrounger, which are used as entries in other LLs like WithAmmo32CaliberPistolLoot

it's easier to figure out where to look if you notice whether you're getting the ammo alone or with particular guns

Post by **slaya33** » Sun May 31, 2015 7:56 pm

I have noticed that the bugged ammo generally comes on NPCs that also carry a .32 pistol. I also have the vague memory that I've also received the bugged ammo in ammo boxes. The NPCs/Ammo Boxes always have 6-8 unusable bullets and 1-2 usable ones.

I'm not too sure what to look for in the lists, but I found that TTW converts the .32 pistol into a .22 revolver, then CFWTTW reverts it back into a .32 pistol. I also found a list called "WithAmmo32CaliberPistolNPC" that CFWTTW overwrites, which might mean something. Ammo32Caliber75 uses the Fallout 3 .32 caliber and is not overridden by CFWTTW, too, if that helps.

I really appreciate you helping me with this.

Post by **Puppettron** » Sun May 31, 2015 8:04 pm

ttw swaps out Ammo32Caliber75 for appropriate 22LR and .308 lists

Post by **slaya33** » Sun May 31, 2015 8:17 pm

It seems as if every .32 ammo reference has a Fallout 3 and CFWTTW version. I assume this is normal?

What exactly am I supposed to look for in FNVEdit? I'm sorry if I'm frustrating you with my lack of knowledge.

Post by **Puppettron** » Sun May 31, 2015 8:32 pm

this is WithAmmo32CaliberPistolLoot, for an example. notice it's just overwritten by TTW and the TTW version doesn't use the .32 ammo stuff at all

Post by **slaya33** » Sun May 31, 2015 8:37 pm

This is my WithAmmo32CaliberPistolLoot

Post by **RoyBatty** » Sun May 31, 2015 9:45 pm

It's broken, PaP must have made a new ammo instead of using the original ammo. This esm is different than my working one... I will upload one here in a bit that isn't all fubared like that.

Post by **slaya33** » Sun May 31, 2015 10:27 pm

To clarify, the non-broken esm you're going to post will remove the unusable ammo from FO3 and replace it with CFWTTW's, or vice versa? Because if you're going to use FO3's .32 ammo instead of CFWTTW's, then you're going to have to rechamber .32 weapons to use the FO3 ammo instead.

Thanks so much for all your help.