Fallout UK - FUK

[DatFaceSoldier]

Hey guys, was recently wondering what level of modding tools to expect when Fallout 4 comes out, (if it comes out) and I thought I'd love to make a mod set in the United Kingdom, based in London and areas outskirting London. I had a few awesome ideas for a story, such as a wasteland monarchy, although since Fallout has put most places in rough times it's more of a old fashioned monarchy. I'd have a large powerful king in the remains of buckingham palace, he could wield a mighty blade. Since America as far as I know was the only country to develop power armour, I'd even come up with some special clothing/weaponry such as special lightweight Royal Marine apparel, perhaps a highly advanced bullpup rifle similar to the L85 but with some extra toys attached. The storyline could be the re-taking of London against another faction that controls the other half of London. Perhaps on 1 side of the river Thames is the monarchy faction and the other is the parliament faction, both could have their upsides and downsides but neither are specifically good or evil, this would make the mod interesting because you could experience either campaign without having to be a certain affinity. 

The reason this is a thread is because of a few reasons. 

1. I want to hear your own ideas about what happened to Great Britain after the great war.

2. I want to know what you think of my rough idea and where it needs work.

3. I want to know weather working in a team of 4 moderate skilled G.E.C.K modders with varying skills could handle this.

Thanks for reading if you got this far! Chow

[TrickyVein]

I think you may need a better acronym!

[retlaw83]

This would be a huge project for a new modder. I'd recommend making small mods in New Vegas if you're serious about this.

While the fate of the UK would be all conjecture, as far as weaponry goes there is the XLE70E3 in Fallout 2. It's an experimental Lee-Enfield assault rifle, so I'd imagine something that looks similar called the LE70E2 or LE69 would have been the widespread British military rifles before the war.

[Pokepunch]

I'm from the UK and find this acronym offensive. Joking

[DatFaceSoldier]

"This would be a huge project for a new modder. I'd recommend making small mods in New Vegas if you're serious about this." 

I mentioned in the initial article me and my 3 other co-modders have a fairly decent amount of experience, starting from Oblivion to Fallout 3, New Vegas and Skyrim. I do still understand the size of such an undertaking and would probably still require help. I myself am studying 3D modelling and Animation at university which should give me a set of skills in terms of modelling, while others are experienced programmers in C# and C++.

 

"I'm from the UK and find this acronym offensive."

I'm from the UK and I find this acronym hilarious.

 

 

[charwo]

Why make it like a traditional Fallout? Why not make it that Britain and Europe largely survived 2077, and were more generally ravaged by the Black Rain and social disruption than civil apocalypse? Have London be Retro-London, fully functioning, Queen(or King), full control of the Isles? Less Road Warrior, more Mad Max or the non-evil version of V for Vendetta? Fill it with British retro-futurism of the 40s-early 70s, made stagnant by trade collapse, regional insolence (trade, even in food, is less necessary when you have molecular assemblers to build the basics locally), and the fear that something, anything, or nothing really could be stirring across the Channel? Play the old British tropes.



Or that of the historical midcentury UK, of a nation bereft of Empire, but still intact, if in spiritual malaise. Or conversely, maybe full of new ambitions....like re-establishing Canada as a proper state and separate from a not-quite coalesced US that betrayed the Special Relationship long ago.

It'd be really cool to see a world largely recovered in which the Wasteland is almost entirely an American experience (the Chinese probably being extinct considering what we'd do to it).

And what does DFS stand for?

[farmerboy464]

I might suggest making much of the area water-logged.  I can't imagine that a nuclear war can be good for global warming, and the people of the Fallout universe seem even less environmentally conscious than we are.  This could even be integrated into the main 'theme' that you stated- flood waters leading to a shortage of resources even more critical than in the Capital Wasteland or Mojave?

[TrickyVein]

Consider: all human contribution to global carbon emissions would have ceased and remained effectively zero for almost two centuries. Interesting to speculate that a global nuclear war may actually be better for the climate system in the long term, notwithstanding the immediate, catastrophic effects; better than if emissions were to have continued over the same period. 

With fossil fuels and other nonrenewable resources being depleted or completely used up by the time of the Great War, however we can pretty much assume a worst case scenario for global warming - which means that even a lull period with no emissions wouldn't matter. The feedback and forcing of the climate would have kicked in decades (indeed, full centuries) before the worst pollution of the 21st century - and Fallout's universe never developed or never sought to develop clean technology. 

I mean, we're on track to see several degrees (C) rise in global temperature in our world. [CO2] hasn't been this high (over 400ppm) for millions of years - and that's with some clean(ish) technologies and some people making efforts to reduce emissions. With Fallout's technology and being stuck in a 1950s mindset where people weren't even aware of these things, you can only imagine how much worse their situation would be. 

So no, a global nuclear war certainly wouldn't do good things for the environment, but things were also pretty much f*cked over before the Great War - even the resource wars.

[charwo]

That can't be remotely true. First, let's side-step every issue of global warming. Then let's focus on the coasts. There has not been one alteration on either the west coast or east coast seen to date. Point Lookout would not exist  with even a modest rise in sea level. There would be no DC to explore, in fact, the lack of marshland in DC, because DC is a swamp, says most of the pumping equipment is functioning nearly normally on full automation. But all of that would be moot with even a moderate sea rise. Since there was no nuclear winter whatsoever, as per Fallout 1 instruction manual and Honest Hearts, we can assume a foot rise in the 21st century as per the UN Climate Change projections.

The whole notion that the Fallout universe would never embrace environmentally friendly technology is also bullshit. Google Airpocalypse and take a good long look at Shanghai and Beijing: that's New York and Los Angeles respectively in 2000 under these profoundly stupid assumptions. What you guys are talking about is simply not politically possible. You can imagine a world with no Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, but not one without acid rain. In fact, a world that embraced nuclear power the way the Fallout universe supposedly did would be much, MUCH cleaner because the ratio of coal to nuclear would be inverse, and Thorium reactors would have to be pursued simply to keep the Great Power nuclear monopoly through the 20th century.

The fact is the Fallout Bible and it's creators can say whatever they want. It didn't happen, because the evidence is squarely against it. The pre-war world, before the Resource Wars was near our own because the state political and economic realities would remain the same. It was a fossil fuel world just as addicted or worse then our own, with a similar technological base, just to make the broadest economic and political facts of the pre war possible: the transistor in the late 40s for personal robotics by the early 21st century, the lack of an embrace in alternative fuels, namely nuclear, to get the economic collapse of the early Resource Wars, the market liberalization of China under Deng Xiaoping to make China even capable of waging a decade long conventional WWIII with the United States, a lack of global sea rise or extreme climatic shifts to have the coasts in tact and at current levels, and this also forces us to admit there is no Permian Great Dying style dead world, thus the Green World is necessary to make canon work in any way shape or form and that every single mutate in the Wasteland is not from radiation, but from biological engineering and biowarfare, with radiation at most being a secondary input. Artistic vision does not void logic.

[Pokepunch]

[quote=DatFaceSoldier]

"I'm from the UK and find this acronym offensive."

I'm from the UK and I find this acronym hilarious.

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You missed the invisible joking after my sentence...