Rarer T-51b in Mojave

[EnderDragonFire]

According to both Beth and Obsidian, cut content is not canon, or even semi-canon. So the idea that the ingame stats reflect canon is dubious at best. Some things to consider:

1)According to official canon(not reflected in FNV!) the T-51b is the best power armor before hellfire. This mean that, technically, remnants armor is lore-breaking :/

2)In Fo3 the T-51b had the same DR as Hellfire, in TTW, it is weaker than Remnants. This is obviously an issue for those who want to keep both games balanced.

3)The Hardened Armor would be unique, so there is no reason it cannot surpass the Eastern Enclave armor.

[JaxFirehart]

Where does it say that T-51b is equal to hellfire?

[Risewild]

[quote=JaxFirehart]

 

Where does it say that T-51b is equal to hellfire?

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For some reason in FO3 the Hellfire armor and the T-51b had the same DR of 50 for the armor and 10 for the helmet, while the Winterized T-51b had less DR, 45 for the armor, but the same for the Helmet (10).

But the Remnants Armor is supposed to have higher protection (DT) than the T-51b and the Hellfire armor, since the Remnants Armor is the same model as the ones used by the Enclave in Fallout 2, while the armors used by the Enclave in Fallout 3 were researched from scratch and separated from the older projects and are supposed to offer less protection.

EDIT: I forgot to post some links here.

Here is the fix made by Yukichigai for the BoS not wearing the right armor in FNV, since this fix is supposed to be included in the YUP mod, you might ask in this thread about it to see if TJ included it in the TTW Fixes mod (a TTW exclusive bug fixer mod based on YUP and uFO3P).

[retlaw83]

[quote=EnderDragonFire]

1)According to official canon(not reflected in FNV!) the T-51b is the best power armor before hellfire. This mean that, technically, remnants armor is lore-breaking :/

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Wrong. Fallout 3 is the only game to do this. In Fallout 1 and 2 and NV, Advanced Power Armor (Remnants in NV) is stronger than T-51b as the Enclave made it to replace that. The armor featured in Fallout 3 is Advanced Power Armor Mk II, which exactly one suit of appears in Fallout 2 - and it's stronger than Advanced Power Armor and looks identical. Could be of course that since the oil rig blew up, we could be dealing with two different versions of APA2.

[TJ]

There actually was multiple variants of APA MkII according to lore.

[EnderDragonFire]

I really don't want to get into an argument about the Fallout canon of power armor. I could provide evidence for my side of the argument, and you could counter it, and so on, but I would rather we agree to disagree. 

That being said, I would still really appreciate a mod that reduces(or eliminates) the frequency of T-51b in the leveled list for the Mojave.

[JaxFirehart]

I would love to hear your evidence, so long as everyone remains civil. Debating is how things are decided. How we handle power armor in DC is very much fluid at the moment, so your thoughts may help the team make a decision.

[Risewild]

That being said, I would still really appreciate a mod that reduces(or eliminates) the frequency of T-51b in the leveled list for the Mojave.

I posted a link for a mod made by Yukichigai that if I read the description correctly might just do that (or at least help). I guess you must have missed it, here it is again .

http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/40798/?

[retlaw83]

EDIT: Retracted. I'm sick and misread.

[JaxFirehart]

It does indeed do as Dragon asked.