Paladin Gunny and Silver Teleported to me while I was asleep

Post by **deadboy** » Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:05 am

I did a clean install of FNV when 2.7 came out. Installed it Friday night, three days ago. I know it's 2.7 but I can't say if it's 2.7 or 2.7.2.

I got a bug where the first night I slept in my Megaton house I was woke up half way through my sleep by Paladin Gunny talking to me as if I'd just walked in to meet him the first time. I got out of that conversation and set myself to sleep till morning and before that sleep session had stopped Silver, the runaway prostitute living in springvale, woke me up with the speech she gives if you walk in to her house.

Both can be interacted with but neither have much to say. Neither of them move at all from the spots they spawned on. It's described rather well by some people in a resolved bug from almost two years ago found here:

https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/npc-teleport-me-during-restsleep.

It's marked resolved from a long time ago. Not sure if I need to do something or... Anyone know what the resolution was and if I can implement it?

Load order is listed below.

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FalloutNV.esm

DeadMoney.esm

HonestHearts.esm

OldWorldBlues.esm

LonesomeRoad.esm

GunRunnersArsenal.esm

CaravanPack.esm

ClassicPack.esm

MercenaryPack.esm

TribalPack.esm

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

TaleOfTwoWastelands.esm

Ambient Temperature.esm

NVEC Complete + NVCE.esm

Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm

Inventory Access.esm

TTW Redesigned.esm

New Vegas Redesigned II.esm

TTWInteriors_Core.esm

TTWInteriorsProject_Combo.esm

ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm

AWorldOfPain(Preview).esm

FINAL Seachlight Airport NCR.esm

ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm

Project Beauty.esm

Niner.esm

The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm

NVR-Strip.esm

More Traits.esm

Interior Lighting Overhaul - L38PS.esm

Project Nevada - Core.esm

DesertersFortress.esm

More Perks.esm

More Perks for Companions.esm

Project Nevada - Equipment.esm

Project Nevada - Extra Options.esm

NevadaSkies.esm

Clean-Deluxe FNV.esm

oHUD.esm

NVWillow.esp

Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp

Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp

TTWFixes.esm

Alternative Repairing - Breakdown Item Icons.esp

CASM.esp

Clean-Deluxe FNV Merge - AWOP + ILO.esp

NVR-Version_10.esp

DarNifiedUINV.esp

Interior Lighting Overhaul - Ultimate Edition.esp

ILO - Nevada Skies Patch.esp

Armor by Race w Undies Vanilla.esp

DesertersFortressUpdate_V1.1_DemiLore.esp

TTW_SpeechChecks.esp

FlashlightNVSE.esp

ILO - A World of Pain.esp

JIP Companions Command & Control.esp

NVFR-NVR-NVTC-Version_2.esp

JIP Fast-Travel Anywhere.esp

FairyRadar.esp

Jump Fall Fixer.esp

Casino UnBanner.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp

The Weapon Mod Menu.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - TTW Redesigned.esp

Project Nevada - Cyberware Additions.esp

More Perks Update.esp

More Perks for Companions Update.esp

Project Nevada - TTW.esp

NCR Rearmament v1.5 (Lore).esp

Project Nevada - Rebalance Complete.esp

TTW_Bobbleheads.esp

TTW_SuperMutantRebalance.esp

The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

WeaponModsExpanded.esp

Alternative Repairing.esp

Alternative Repairing - TTWInteriors.esp

Alternative Repairing - Tale of Two Wastelands.esp

TTW_Reputation.esp

CNR_Beta.esp

More Traits Update.esp

TTW_MoreCookingItems.esp

ILO - Tale of Two Wastelands.esp

TTW_NoKarmaDCFollowers.esp

ILO - Seachlight Airport.esp

ARESproject.esp

WMX-DLCMerged.esp

Project Nevada - All DLC.esp

WMX-AWOP-Overhaul.esp

WMX-POPMerged.esp

Zan_AutoPurge_SmartAgro_NV.esp

fnvrwlo - brighter nights.esp

AWOPDeadMoney.esp

AWOP Interior Music.esp

NevadaSkies - TTW Edition.esp

ILO - GS Shack.esp

Alternative Repairing - Ultimate Edition.esp

Powered Power Armor.esp

Ambient Temperature - PPA.esp

NVR-NPCs.esp

jailhouserockette.esp

New Vegas Trade Center.esp

TTWIntMojaveExpressBoxes_Combo.esp

AWOP DLC + GRA Conflict Error Fixes.esp

TTW_AnchorageCustomization.esp

NVR-ELECTRO-CTIY_Patch.esp

Body By Race.esp

TG Blackwidow type3.esp

sexysleepwear.esp

TTW_OutcastTrading.esp

ttw_transportalponder.esp

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Post by **deadboy** » Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:00 pm

Follow up post. It doesn't happen only while player is sleeping.

I put silver back in her home with moveto player at her house. I don't have citadel access in the game this happened in so Gunny had been standing around my megaton house. I was just about to start a chat with Casdin of the outcasts and pop, there's paladin Gunny asking me what I'm doing or whatever his intro dialog is. I get out of that and he immediately attacks the outcasts.

Definitely running 2.7.2 with the mods listed above

Post by **pintocat** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:31 am

Sounds possibly like symptoms of a poorly converted or unconverted mod. If a plugin references a form that in TTW/FNV is a different form that in F3, weird shit can happen.

Post by **RoyBatty** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:38 am

. o O (NVEC)

Post by **JaxFirehart** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 12:52 pm

We write install instructions so that this stuff DOESN'T happen.

Post by **deadboy** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:57 pm

I mean this in the least internet-y way possible! Pointing me to the instructions is unhelpful. I read all the instructions and have been trying to learn as much as possible from the fine folks in the chat room. I've read the instructions backwards after forwards and have asked for clarification numerous times where I felt there was possible ambiguity.

I posted this less as a bug report than a request for information on the "fix" that was mentioned in the very old post that seemed to mirror what I'm seeing. All the initial bug report said was "fixed/closed". I was hoping for info on that fix so in my current install I have gone away from NVEC, implementing various bits that I want, I don't inadvertently add one that chokes it or something similar.

My primary goal was to inquire about this and find out if the problem was due to my error, which is likely, or see if something I have loaded is causing an old bug to pop up again thereby negating the fix which solved this so long ago. The fact that the bug is not easily replicated short of just standing/sleeping for days or months in the Megaton home and wondering if you've slept long enough to either have it happen or wonder if the load out you are testing it with is OK.

Again, I want to stress that my post was not and is not intended as a troll like, "Your thing is crap, fix it." I dug deep, found an old bug report that was closed, asked in the chat and was told, I believe by TJ but if that's wrong I apologize, to just post it and see if anyone knew what the fix was to get a better idea of what might be causing it for me.

I've done my bi-weekly clean install and hopefully it won't pop up again. But I am still curious what might have caused it so I don't see it again. Or so that if I do see it again that I can say, "Hey, it was mod X combined with wonky load order Y."

Thank you all for your input. If you have any ideas or thoughts on what the original fix was I'd still love to hear them.

Post by **JaxFirehart** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:50 pm

Basically NVEC kills TTW in a variety of ways. It's bad. It sounds as though you have been gutting it for bits and pieces, so long as you are fairly sure of what you are doing it's probably not NVEC related anymore, but I would bet that it was to begin with.

Post by **pintocat** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:13 pm

[quote=deadboy]

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I posted this less as a bug report than a request for information on the "fix" that was mentioned in the very old post that seemed to mirror what I'm seeing. All the initial bug report said was "fixed/closed". I was hoping for info on that fix so in my current install I have gone away from NVEC, implementing various bits that I want, I don't inadvertently add one that chokes it or something similar.

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We can't really say specifically any plugin included in NVEC is the problem, because the problem might not be any of the mods included in the NVEC compilation. NVEC itself (and similar "bug fix" mods) also includes things from the compilation author in addition to the mods it compiles. And the bug report section might mark an issue as closed because it was not actually a problem with vanilla TTW (FNV+FO3+TTW with no mods)... if it's an issue introduced by a mod, it's not a bug in TTW. The bug tracker is for TTW bugs.

Post by **deadboy** » Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:46 pm

Today will actually be the first day of mini NVEC. Keeping about 10 of the 100 or so things it adds. I'll probably play with them separated for a while and see if anything freaks out. If not I'll merge them and go from there. When I started with TTW back a while there were still attempts to patch to work with NVEC. Looks like that was abandoned.

NVEC definitely looks to be the likely candidate. Still, I like to know. If it rears it's head in this clean install I will post again and have an easier time hopefully narrowing down a culprit.