Main Menu Issue

Post by TJ » Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:30 pm

NMM is the single most reliable app on the planet after all.

Post by **Thatchor** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 8:48 pm

I sense just a tad bit of sarcasm in there TJ.

Post by **freakydoo** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:02 pm

sorry for the off topic, stupid question. but what's the biggest issue with NMM vs FOMM i was under the impression the base code for both was written by the same person.

Post by **morlund69** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:13 pm

@freakydoo What I've been able to tell from my experiments is that NMM is more convenient for downloads than FOMM, but NMM can't handle really big packages like the TTW - Main fomod (at least on lower end machines like mine) and may even corrupt the packages if and when it fails. FOMM works fine, however; its just a little bit dated and unstable (for me).

Post by **freakydoo** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:24 pm

i like NMM, but i hear over and over again how much better FOMM is. i ran into the same issue while installing TTW with NMM as many others but i wouldn't have considered my system "low-end". although there might be a bottleneck with the HDD. i need to look into a solid state drive.

Post by **morlund69** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:28 pm

All I know for sure is that, here on my end, NMM suits most of my needs, and FOMM works for those few other instances like installing TTW. I just use both.

Post by **freakydoo** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:06 pm

i had read somewhere that NMM can corrupt the TTW FOMOD files so i may re-install TTW using fomm cause i'm getting some random issues that i didn't have before (the mister handy follower general what's his face showing up from thin air after a transition to a different area, christie young @ RC not having dialog, etc...) these things may have nothing to do with TTW but i wanna make sure that when i did a manual install after trying NMM that NMM didn't mess something up

@thatchor: i like wrye a lot. been using it since oblivion, never used the BAIN option for installing though

Post by **Thatchor** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 11:06 pm

I don't think they were written by the same person. I could be wrong though. I prefer FOMM because it's generally more powerful and has some nice built in tools. To be completely honest, I actually prefer Wrye Bash the most, but I tend to use FOMM on a regular basis. In my opinion, and there's a strong possibility that it is wrong, NMM was created to have an idiot proof way to download and install simple mods when Skyrim came out since it was so popular. It was adapted to other games because it does work nicely for most mods. This analysis isn't based off of anything; just a personal observation that I tell myself.

Post by **rickerhk** » Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:43 am

Kaburke, the guy that was developing FOMM after Timeslip (starting with the new vegas version?), was hired by DarkOne to launch the NMM project. I'm not sure if he is still active on it, but NMM is based on FOMM for sure.

Post by **lustephelon** » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:12 am

I'm Having this issue as well. Its annoying to finally get it installed, then have it fail to load correctly and end up with a big picture and music and no menu.

Phenom2 x4 965, 32GB RAM, ATI 6950 1GB vid card. onboard sound. running win7 x64.

Clean folder install of both FO3 GOTY and FONV from steam. (second try, the first download apperantly was corrupt)

Deleted the Ini files, opened the loader to recreate and used the manual install instructions to make sure the changes required by TTW were in all 3 ini files.

used FOMM and toggled archiveinvalidation multiple times, then verified the .bsa shows in the ini and in the data folder.

I also cleared the %appdata% folders, and recreated the load order.

[collapsed title=[12/29/2013 1:39:56 PM] System Architecture: AMD64 Family 16 Model 4 Stepping 3 [12/29/2013 1:39:56 PM] 64-bit architecture found. [12/29/2013 1:39:56 PM] Building checksum dictionary using M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\TTW 2.4a Installer(1)\resources\\TTW Data\TTW Patches\TTW_Checksums.txt [12/29/2013 1:39:56 PM] TaleOfTwoWastelands.bsa = BA4906CF3AB218545E76842D0A1BD3C1 [12/29/2013 1:39:56 PM] Anchorage.esm = 209639897C5AD1361E75485E8D444ECF [12/29/2013 1:39:56 PM] BrokenSteel.esm = AFC9CA58AF0FB206157D888BAE324B9F [12/29/2013 1:39:56 PM] Fallout3.esm = 37C5DA1ED64F003F88B3D9418344BCE7 [12/29/2013 1:39:56 PM] PointLookout.esm = A65A464169D6570AF606C270D6825C77 [12/29/2013 1:39:56 PM] ThePitt.esm = A3B7CE448DA21ED51AD665D44A326E75 [12/29/2013 1:39:56 PM] Zeta.esm = AA1C1917F75093A3348F0086C3AE57CA [12/29/2013 1:39:56 PM] Done. [12/29/2013 1:39:56 PM] Looking for Fallout3.exe [12/29/2013 1:39:56 PM] Not found, prompting user. [12/29/2013 1:40:09 PM] User selected: M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout 3 goty\ [12/29/2013 1:40:09 PM] Looking for FalloutNV.exe [12/29/2013 1:40:09 PM] Not found, prompting user. [12/29/2013 1:40:18 PM] User selected: M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\ [12/29/2013 1:40:18 PM] Looking for Tale of Two Wastelands [12/29/2013 1:40:18 PM] Default path found. [12/29/2013 1:40:26 PM] User manually changed Tale of Two Wastelands directory to: M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\ [12/29/2013 1:40:28 PM] Checking for required files. [12/29/2013 1:40:28 PM] All files found. [12/29/2013 1:40:28 PM] Creating FOMOD foundation. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] Fallout3 - Misc.bsa has already been built, skipping. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] Fallout3 - Meshes.bsa has already been built, skipping. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] Fallout3 - Textures.bsa has already been built, skipping. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] Fallout3 - Sound.bsa has already been built, skipping. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] Fallout3 - MenuVoices.bsa has already been built, skipping. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] Fallout3 - Voices.bsa has already been built, skipping. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] Anchorage - Main.bsa has already been built, skipping. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] Anchorage - Sounds.bsa has already been built, skipping. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] ThePitt - Main.bsa has already been built, skipping. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] ThePitt - Sounds.bsa has already been built, skipping. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] BrokenSteel - Main.bsa has already been built, skipping. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] BrokenSteel - Sounds.bsa has already been built, skipping. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] PointLookout - Main.bsa has already been built, skipping. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] PointLookout - Sounds.bsa has already been built, skipping. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] Zeta - Main.bsa has already been built, skipping. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] Zeta - Sounds.bsa has already been built, skipping. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] Patching TaleOfTwoWastelands.bsa... [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] Applying patch M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\TTW 2.4a Installer(1)\resources\TTW Data\TTW Patches\TaleOfTwoWastelands.bsa.E981BE049D7299F21E1ED1B08917FA4E.BA4906CF3AB218545E76842D0A1BD3C1.diff [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] Patch successful. [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] Patching Fallout3.esm... [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] Fallout3.esm not found in M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\Main Files\ [12/29/2013 1:40:29 PM] Checking M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout 3 goty\ [12/29/2013 1:40:34 PM] Applying patch M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\TTW 2.4a Installer(1)\resources\TTW Data\TTW Patches\Fallout3.esm.BA4A85F81A71F61D4C2C9EE9E4C1081B.37C5DA1ED64F003F88B3D9418344BCE7.diff [12/29/2013 1:40:36 PM] Patch successful. [12/29/2013 1:40:36 PM] Patching Anchorage.esm... [12/29/2013 1:40:36 PM] Anchorage.esm not found in M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\Main Files\ [12/29/2013 1:40:36 PM] Checking M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout 3 goty\ [12/29/2013 1:40:36 PM] Applying patch M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\TTW 2.4a Installer(1)\resources\TTW Data\TTW Patches\Anchorage.esm.BF1E8DB35D04D9AD4B70FE9E1F6E1FD0.209639897C5AD1361E75485E8D444ECF.diff [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Patch successful. [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Patching ThePitt.esm... [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] ThePitt.esm not found in M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\Main Files\ [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Checking M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout 3 goty\ [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Applying patch M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\TTW 2.4a Installer(1)\resources\TTW Data\TTW Patches\ThePitt.esm.4490F2F839D93AD0715600262AF8E23F.A3B7CE448DA21ED51AD665D44A326E75.diff [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Patch successful. [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Patching BrokenSteel.esm... [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] BrokenSteel.esm not found in M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\Main Files\ [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Checking M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout 3 goty\ [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Applying patch M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\TTW 2.4a Installer(1)\resources\TTW Data\TTW Patches\BrokenSteel.esm.4D64B97155AAF8101C78F399100A6969.AFC9CA58AF0FB206157D888BAE324B9F.diff [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Patch successful. [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Patching PointLookout.esm... [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] PointLookout.esm not found in M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\Main Files\ [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Checking M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout 3 goty\ [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Applying patch M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\TTW 2.4a Installer(1)\resources\TTW Data\TTW Patches\PointLookout.esm.8F5CEF0CD937A8F8937D05F76C6F6830.A65A464169D6570AF606C270D6825C77.diff [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Patch successful. [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Patching Zeta.esm... [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Zeta.esm not found in M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\Main Files\ [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Checking M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout 3 goty\ [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Applying patch M:\Fallout games\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\TTW 2.4a Installer(1)\resources\TTW Data\TTW Patches\Zeta.esm.3A6DF6CF19C6F7F786824D0DB96CE19E.AA1C1917F75093A3348F0086C3AE57CA.diff [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Patch successful. [12/29/2013 1:40:37 PM] Copying Fallout3 Music [12/29/2013 1:40:45 PM] Done. [12/29/2013 1:40:45 PM] Copying Fallout3 Video [12/29/2013 1:41:16 PM] Done. [12/29/2013 1:41:26 PM] Building FOMODs. [12/29/2013 1:42:07 PM] Done.]Install Log[/collapsed]

[collapsed title=FalloutNV.esm DeadMoney.esm HonestHearts.esm OldWorldBlues.esm LonesomeRoad.esm GunRunnersArsenal.esm CaravanPack.esm ClassicPack.esm MercenaryPack.esm TribalPack.esm Fallout3.esm Anchorage.esm ThePitt.esm BrokenSteel.esm PointLookout.esm Zeta.esm TaleOfTwoWastelands.esm Total active plugins: 17 Total plugins: 25] Load Order [/collapsed]

Any suggestions would be welcome.

Edit: further Tshooting done: used FOMM, dumped the FO3 and TTW esm, loaded normal. added back in pairs until it gave me the menu issue again. then reading the master lists I put the other ESMs back, it seems the Broken Steel DLC is where my problem is at. Could somone else having the issue do the same test to see if the issue is consistant to a particular DLC?