Crash on startup, clean installs, load order included

Post by **Tony Pajamas** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 10:40 pm

So after redownloading FNV again and clean installing TTW, I'm still crashing on startup, no mouse or menus appearing.

My load order:

FalloutNV.esm

Fallout3.esm

DeadMoney.esm

HonestHearts.esm

OldWorldBlues.esm

LonesomeRoad.esm

GunRunnersArsenal.esm

CaravanPack.esm

ClassicPack.esm

MercenaryPack.esm

TribalPack.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

TaleOfTwoWastelands.esm

TTW_XPReduction.esp

TTW_MoreCookingItems.esp

TTW_NoKarmaDCFollowers.esp

TTW_StashPackOptions.esp

TTW_Bobbleheads.esp

Total active plugins: 22 Total plugins: 22

As you can see, everything's where it's supposed to be I had to drag and paste the FO3 esms over from its folder, dunno if that may be the problem. I was also using the disable gfwl patch with fo3. Anyways, I'm completely stumped. Hoping I can get some help

Post by **JaxFirehart** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:06 pm

If you had to drag the ESMs over from the FO3 folder, then yes that is a problem. Why didn't you use the installer? IF you did use the installer, did it pop up any error messages? If so, what were they and why did you ignore them?

Also your load order is off. Fallout3 comes after all of the NV + DLC esms.

Post by **Tony Pajamas** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:08 pm

no pop up error messages, and I got the load order from the install guide with pictures

Post by **JaxFirehart** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:17 pm

Well that install guide is out of date. Put Fallout3.esm after all the NV esms.

In your My Documents/My Games/TaleOfTwoWastelands folder there is an install log, post it here.

Post by **Tony Pajamas** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:22 pm

Determining system architecture 64-bit Architecture found

Looking for Fallout 3 Fallout 3 was found at C:\Program Files (x86)\Bethesda Softworks\Fallout 3\

Looking for Fallout New Vegas Fallout New Vegas was found at C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Fallout New Vegas\

Looking for Tale of Two Wastelands Tale of Two Wastelands was found at C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\SteamApps\common\Fallout New Vegas\Data\

Beginning installation

TaleOfTwoWastelands - Main.bsa was not found

Extracting Fallout 3 main resources

Extracting Fallout - Misc.bsa

Extracting Fallout - Meshes.bsa

Extracting Fallout - Textures.bsa

Cleaning up duplicate resources

Building TaleOfTwoWastelands - Main.bsa

Building complete, checking for patches

The rebuilt TaleOfTwoWastelands - Main.bsa patched successfully

TaleOfTwoWastelands - Sounds.bsa was not found

Extracting Fallout 3 sound resources

Extracting Fallout - Sound.bsa

Extracting Fallout - Voices.bsa

Extracting Fallout - MenuVoices.bsa

Copying Radio Music

Cleaning up duplicate sounds

Updating voice file masters

Updating voice type names

Building TaleOfTwoWastelands - Sounds.bsa

Building complete, checking for patches

The rebuilt TaleOfTwoWastelands - Sounds.bsa patched successfully

Copying Fallout Music folder

Copying update music files

Copying Fallout Video folder

Copying update video files

Overwriting Fallout3 MainTitle.mp3 with FalloutNV MainTitle.mp3

Patching DLC .bsa files

Vanilla Anchorage - Main.bsa patched successfully

Vanilla Anchorage - Sounds.bsa does not need to be modified, copying into TTW directory

Vanilla ThePitt - Main.bsa patched successfully

Vanilla ThePitt - Sounds.bsa does not need to be modified, copying into TTW directory

Vanilla BrokenSteel - Main.bsa patched successfully

Vanilla BrokenSteel - Sounds.bsa does not need to be modified, copying into TTW directory

Vanilla PointLookout - Main.bsa patched successfully

Vanilla PointLookout - Sounds.bsa does not need to be modified, copying into TTW directory

Vanilla Zeta - Main.bsa patched successfully

Vanilla Zeta - Sounds.bsa does not need to be modified, copying into TTW directory Patching .esm files

Vanilla Fallout3.esm patched successfully

Vanilla Anchorage.esm patched successfully Vanilla ThePitt.esm patched successfully

Vanilla BrokenSteel.esm patched successfully

Vanilla PointLookout.esm patched successfully Vanilla Zeta.esm patched successfully

Updating Tale of Two Wastelands files

Moving Fallout_default.ini to TTW install folder

Updating .ini files Install successful

Post by **JaxFirehart** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:40 pm

OK your problem is you installed into the data folder instead of the main FNV folder

So inside your DAta folder should be ANOTHER data folder that has all the TTW stuff in.

Post by **Tony Pajamas** » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:51 pm

Alright found it. Coulda sworn I picked the main FNV folder to install to.

Okay, game started just fine this time. Thanks a lot for the help

Post by **plumjuice** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 11:13 am

Spoiler tags work fine, it's the second icon from the left.

The reason load order is always asked for is not just about whether you have mods, it's so an objective look at your order can happen. In the future, copypasta a load order. It's easy, it's quick, and will likely help future problems.

Post by **JaxFirehart** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:33 pm

Yep. The install log says that TTW installed perfectly for you, so whatever the problem is, it's probably something weird as TTW is quite picky. When you installed TTW, was it a pre-modded setup (even if you uninstalled and disable all mods, sometimes they leave behind debris)? Or was it a fresh clean install?

Your load order is always helpful, even if you are 100% sure it's right. Problems like what you are describing are usually caused by bad load order, or a dirty install.

Post by **JaxFirehart** » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:41 pm

What in the ini did you change?