CTD when equiping weapon [Solved - TTW found incompatible with STUN]

[Elizabeth_Sterling]

Fallout 3 version: GOTY DVD

Fallout NV version: GOTY DVD w/ Pre-Order Extras



System specs:

Intel i5 4570 @ 3.6ghz

24GB DDR3 RAM

Radeon RX 580 Black Core 8GB edition (Drivers 17.11.4)

Windows 10 Professional x64

FOMM: 0.14.13

NMM: 63.14

NVSE: 5.1.b4

My load order:

[collapsed title=Load Order]

GameMode=FalloutNV

GameMode=FalloutNV

FalloutNV.esm=1

DeadMoney.esm=1

HonestHearts.esm=1

OldWorldBlues.esm=1

FCOMaster.esm=1

LonesomeRoad.esm=1

GunRunnersArsenal.esm=1

CaravanPack.esm=1

ClassicPack.esm=1

MercenaryPack.esm=1

TribalPack.esm=1

Fallout3.esm=1

BrokenSteel.esm=1

PointLookout.esm=1

Anchorage.esm=1

ThePitt.esm=1

Zeta.esm=1

TaleOfTwoWastelands.esm=1

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm=1

TTWFixes.esm=1

Caliber.esm=1

CaliberXgunrunners.esm=1

CaliberXhonesthearts.esm=1

NVCE Ultimate.esm=1

NPC Project.esm=1

NVCE Main (Faces Only).esm=1

NVCE Main.esm=1

ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm=1

ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm=1

domecity.esm=1

ReturnOfTheRiseOfTheDawnOfTheDead.esm=1

Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm=1

Interior Lighting Overhaul - L38PS.esm=1

BBBackpacks.esm=1

TTWInteriors_Core.esm=1

TTWInteriorsProject_Combo.esm=1

Wastelan-Rebuild.esm=1

A Trail of Crumbs.esm=1

StreetLights.esm=1

The New Bison Steve Hotel.esm=1

SomeguySeries.esm=1

STUN.esm=1

FINAL Seachlight Airport NCR.esm=1

RustTownV1Master.esm=1

NVR-Strip.esm=1

Alton, IL.esm=1

Mart's Mutant Mod Merged Patch Helper.esp=1

ttw_wildwasteland.esp=1

TTWOptions.esp=1

TTW_StashPackOptions.esp=1

TTW_StartupMenu.esp=1

TTW_SpeechChecks.esp=1

TTW_OutcastTrading.esp=1

TTW_Reputation.esp=1

MMM - TTW Reputation Patch.esp=1

TTW_AnchorageCustomization.esp=1

outsidebets.esp=1

rotfacetoriches.esp=1

kochandbohr.esp=1

avangraffscorned.esp=1

athornysituation.esp=1

awilderwasteland.esp=1

Pacersgambit.esp=1

originalintroExtended.esp=1

originalintro.esp=1

NVCE Ultimate - NPC Edits.esp=1

NVCE Ultimate - Vanilla Jules.esp=1

NPC Project - Freeside.esp=1

Bitter Springs Revisited.esp=1

NPC Project - Aerotech Office Park.esp=1

NPC Project - 188 Trading Post.esp=1

Realistic Movement.esp=1

WTHeskett's Carry Weight 75 + (5 x STR).esp=1

Western Sky - Darker Nights.esp=1

Western Sky.esp=1

Conelrad 640-1240.esp=1

damage.esp=1

XFO - 1ba - Dmg - Non-Var - 1x.esp=1

Better Burned Man.esp=1

WeaponModsExpanded.esp=1

Dry Wells.esp=1

Clothes Shop.esp=1

QS_Blackwolf_NV_Backpackmod.esp=1

Blackrow.esp=1

GNR Enhanced.esp=1

GhoulBounties2.esp=1

ILO - PipBoy Light.esp=1

ILO - Rust Town 2.esp=1

XFO - 3ab - rarity - ammo - med.esp=1

ILO - Searchlight Airport.esp=1

Interior Lighting Overhaul - Ultimate Edition.esp=1

Legion Quests Expanded.esp=1

Legion - Balanced Lists.esp=1

NCR Rangers - Balanced Lists.esp=1

XFO - 3bb - rarity - caps - med.esp=1

Lucky38MarkerV3.esp=1

MetroCars.esp=1

RiseRaidersArmorsRevamp.esp=1

XFO - 10ad - Hardcore - Hunger&Thirst - Easier (Half).esp=1

XFO - 3cb - rarity - meds - med.esp=1

XFO - 5da - Skills - Sneak - mild.esp=1

XFO - 5ea - Skills - Barter - Mild.esp=1

XFO - 6bc - Pacing - High (No Cap).esp=1

XFO - 10b - Hardcore - Food&Drink (no healing).esp=1

255_max_level.esp=1

CapitalCaravan.esp=1

TTW FO3&NV&DLC Killable Children.esp=1

TTW_NoKarmaDCFollowers.esp=1

tiesthatbind.esp=1

OscarZuluUntoldStory.esp=1

HeirApparent.esp=1

Uncut Bison Steve Trees.esp=1

Uncut Extra Collection.esp=1

Rivet City Merchants With Point Lookout.esp=1

Shadows and Dust - Southwest DC - Public.esp=1

Shadows and Dust - Volume 2.esp=1

More2Megaton.esp=1

NewMall.esp=1

AReasonedArgument.esp=1

Overpass1.6ALL.esp=1

labeled ammunition boxes.esp=1

TrentonTowers.esp=1

The New Bison Steve Hotel.esp=1

TheFateOfTheMojave.esp=1

STUN.esp=1

Stealing -1 Karma.esp=1

RustTownAdditions3.esp=1

return_deadmoney.esp=1

populatedcasino.esp=1

NPCs Consume Ammo.esp=1

NVR-NPCs.esp=1

NVR-Version_10.esp=1

NV Interiors - West Vegas Fringe.esp=1

NewVegasBountiesIII.esp=1

NewVegasBountiesII.esp=1

ILO - New Vegas Bounties II.esp=1

NewVegasBountiesII Fixes - DLCs.esp=1

NewVegasBounties.esp=1

ILO - New Vegas Bounties.esp=1

VertibirdCrashSites.esp=1

TTW - Fellout.esp=1

NotSoFast.esp=1

AltonAddon.esp=1

City_of_Adventurers_Redux_v1.1.esp=1

FCO - OHSB NPC Edits.esp=1

FCO - The New Bison Steve.esp=1

FCO - Race Addon.esp=1

FCO - NPC Changes.esp=1

TTWVaultSuitHotfix.esp=1

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The problem:

I can start the game and progress through the opening scenes right up until I reach adulthood and it's time to equip a weapon which results in an instant CTD no matter what the weapon. Note that this doesn't happen when readying my fists. I attempted deleting all files, reinstalling FO3 and NV and rebuilding my TTW install from the ground up but the problem persisted. I've installed the latest TTW hotfix and (I'm pretty sure) I've installed all the TTW compatible mods as described, though I'm sure with such a long process it's possible I messed up somewhere twice.

I've contemplated attempting a LOOT sort but I'm not certain if that takes TTW in to account so I've avoided it thus far, doing the minimum to make sure there are no delinquent master files. Any suggestions/ideas? Is it a mod I'm running? Is it because I'm using the NV version of FCO or something like that? Many thanks in advance, and thanks for the wonderful project to all who are involved.

[lustephelon]

I'm not up on things as I used to be since i've been off playing other games, however the first two things that I wonder are: does it work without the mods?   and second do you have a Merge patch? 

the first should tell you if your base install is correct, if that fails reinstalls can help, if it works then its a mod not the base game causing the issue and you can put in mods in small groups to figure out which one is breaking things/having conflicts.   The second is a tool that helps mods play nice together, there should be lots of documents and some tubes on making merge patches. 

[Lyndi]

You need to sort your load order for one, it's all over the place. Follow this guide to do it manually: https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/load-order-general-guide

Second, you also need to make a merge patch with xEdit.

Third. you have entirely too many mods installed. Once you start getting over 130 total plugins you're going to have bad times. FNV isn't Skyrim and it can't handle a load order that's a mile long without serious issues.

[Elizabeth_Sterling]

Well, good news, and I even get to contribute a small amount to the knowledge base. By tirelessly picking one by one through the mods I've been able to track the problem down to STUN v0.6. Seems it's not friendly with TTW, (and I did test it on its own with just the base TTW + hotfixes install.)

Incidentally thanks for the tips everyone, I've sorted my load order just in case and built a merged patch.

[TheRealPsydeffex]

im getting the same problem on my end for some unknown reason, two day ago newvegas keeps crashing instantly the moment i either do the following looting any containers the game instantly crashes as well as when you recieve the bb gun during the birthday party.

here's my Load order/Plugins

falloutnv.esm
DeadMoney.esm
HonestHearts.esm
OldWorldBlues.esm
LonesomeRoad.esm
GunRunnersArsenal.esm
CaravanPack.esm
ClassicPack.esm
MercenaryPack.esm
TribalPack.esm
Fallout3.esm
Anchorage.esm
ThePitt.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm
TaleOfTwoWastelands.esm
YUPTTW.esm
oHUD.esm
IWR.esm
Pip-Phone.esm
MikotoBeauty.esm
Beloved Girls - Race.esp
YUP - Base Game + All DLC.esm
Tammer's NIF-Bashed Armor and Outfits Pack.esm
deat.esp
CBGS.esp
Th3OverseerCore.esm
SomeguySeries.esm
Functional Post Game Ending.esm
JIP Selective-Fire.esm
SolidProject.esm
AWorldOfPain(Preview).esm
XRE - CARS!.esm
Ragdolls.esm
PHWHPAPVisuals.esm
EzekielProject.esp
DarNifiedUINV.esp
The Mod Configuration Menu.esp
Delay Level Up.esp
Delay Level Up - Stealth Suit Fix.esp
FlashlightNVSE.esp
ArmedToTheTeeth-NewVegas.esp
IWR - Rebuilt.esp
JustAssortedMods.esp

I already did a clean reinstall of the game and everything and it still crashes with or without mods.

and for the Record i dont and "Will Not!" use MO or any other mod organizer other than nmm. due to how those thing have caused more problem than good when people recommend it to me.

[jlf65]

You clearly haven't read the thread on incompatible mods as you have a BUNCH of them in that list. You're also trying to use the NV version of YUP, which is incompatible with TTW (TTW has its own version of YUP as you can see in the list of plugins). You also tacked this onto a post about a problem with TTW 2.x, which won't do you any favors. Finally, any issues you have with MO2 are your own - (nearly) everyone here uses it without an issue. MO2 is far and away the best mod handler for ALL Bethesda games. I now use it for everything.

Well, one caveat on MO2 - I had nothing but problems trying to use it with a 32-bit Windows. Once I switched to 64-bit Windows, all issues went away. As long as you use 64-bit Windows, you shouldn't have any problems with MO2.

[xavi84]

The Problem has nothing to do with the Mod Manager i still use NMM never had any Problems that was caused because by NMM, but for me it is i am far too lazy and old to switch

For your Mod list jlf65 is right you have by far too many incompatible Mods and if you know how to use FNVedit it could help you to find your culprit faster if not try by testing by disabling every plugin one by one until you find the one who is causing you crashes

[Lyndi]

Please don't lie to people and say NMM works fine. Just because you haven't personally noticed the issues it has doesn't mean it doesn't still have those issues. It's abandoned software that was abandoned for a reason. If you want to insist on using it (like people still insist on using Windows XP because it's "fine") then that's your business. But don't tell people it's fine.

[RoyBatty]

NMM is broken, period.

Don't necro old threads.

Stop bickering with each other please.

Read the incompatible list.