12 Hours Trying to fix Crash, Please Help.

Post by **Roxas** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:18 am

Right, so I'll try to keep this short, since I know many of you are tired of helping some ignorant cub get his heavily modded game up and running. You guys must get these queries a lot, so I'm sorry for bugging you. That being said, let's get into my dilema.

(I wrote out 2 paragraphs chronicling my history with Fallout New Vegas and 3 and how I loved the idea of playing 3 in the NV Engine and even my love for the series but then I realized you guys really don't care about that and really would like me to get to my problem soo er, I'll give you the cliffnotes version)

-Had Fallout NV and Fallout 3 both installed and heavily modded on my PC.

-Decided to install this, deleted the data folders of both then verified their game cache to get back to the vanilla setting

-Watched/read the tutorial on how to install TWW.

After the initial base set up, I ran the game and it worked fine. Yay, but I'm stupid and wanted to push my game to its limits. Plus I've never played a lot of Fallout's 3's more famous quest mods and wanted to install them and try em out.

Soooo my problem happened somewhere between the initial set up and the 8 hours of downloading and installing mods. Now, I know the basics, didn't try installing any Fallout 3 mods that hadn't been converted. And honest to god I tried keeping the load order small but cool stuff has a habit of piling up. Anyway, my game won't start. It loads, gets to the NCR guy brandishing his revolver, stays there for a second, and crashes. I ran FNV Edit and it seemed to be fine, I created a Merged Patch, still nothing. I ran LOOT and it gave me this info, no idea what it means so I'm gonna post it below to see if any of you established modding geniuses can help me out (not being sarcastic, ya'll are magicians in my eyes) And for you visually-oriented people out there I even recorded a small clip of me booting up the game and getting my hopes and dreams crushed when it crashes. Enjoy my tears.

Loot thing :

Aaaand here's my probably screwed up load order : http://pastebin.com/LiTaiWfN

And here's the video! https://youtu.be/9OR4m5MjZVk

And since I read I would get banned if I didn't provide this info, here's some more info!

OS : Windows 7

CPU : AMD Phenom II X4 820 (I'm getting a new one this week I think?)

Ram : 8 Gigs, not sure the brand but it can't be good.

Mod Manager : Usually use Nexus but it's been bugging out on me, not letting me select any plugins so I switched over to FOMM for installing TTW.

TTW Install Log : [collapsed title=Ey! ] [7/13/2015 4:11:10 PM] Version 2.7.5.0

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Oh, and I own both Fallout 3 GOTY and Fallout New Vegas Ultimate Edition, both on steam.

I really hope you guys can help me, it's 6 in the morning and I haven't slept yet due to me crawling through these and other forums for help. If anything, thanks for reading this much haha.

Post by **krell55** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:32 am

Is that deadboys ttw More Perks if so you pre order pack esm are out of order which will cause the game to hang like that on startup.

Post by **tacitus** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:27 pm

I am pretty sure LOOT (or any other automated load order sorter) causes problems with TTW.

"gets to the NCR guy brandishing his revolver" I'm confused - is this the New Vegas cutscene or something else? If so did you intend to start in new vegas and not in the capitol wasteland?

I am at work so I can't really look at my sortorder and compare now.

If for some reason you end up doing a major clean up (again) you might consider using ModOrganizer - its very helpful for debugging weird mod problems because its profile orientation allows you to easily remove mods. Gopher has some good youtube video's (done in January).

Post by **Arkngt** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:52 pm

You should make a pastebin of your load order and link to it as it's hard to check the jumbled up text.

That said, you say that you've added loads of mods at once ("8 hours of downloading and installing mods") and you should stop right there. First, get a stable core TTW set up - then add one mod at a time while checking that it seems to work as it should. The more mods you add at once, the greater the risk that you get issues and the harder it is to trouble shoot what might cause it. So my tip would be to revert to the initial TTW install and go slowly from there.

Post by **RoyBatty** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:13 pm

And don't clean your DLC's, ignore LOOT. The following guide will help you manually sort your load order.

https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/load-order-general-guide

Post by **AnvilOfWar** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:28 pm

In addition to Roy's suggestion of dumping LOOT in the garbage, it's helpful to fully read the install instructions of any mods you are adding. Glancing at that load order (which would be much easier to read on pastebin) you have Realistic Wasteland Lighting Enhanced and the Color TQL patch, both of which need to come after your merge patch as per the mods own instructions.

And secondly, "Better Game Performance" is one of the 3 mods you CANT USE AT ALL with TTW. As per TTW's own FAQ. https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/faq#whatfnvmodswork

Read the Alpha Download Page instructions in full, the TTW FAQ in full, and any mods install instructions in full. You'd have saved yourself a lot of headaches.

Finally one important fact is if your adding -UNCONVERTED- FO3 Mods directy to TTW, that's a problem right there, since you mentioned wanting to use FO3 quest mods.

Post by **Roxas** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:36 pm

Hey guys! Thanks for all the replies!

@krell55 Yea it is, what order should the Pre Order packs be in?

@tacitus Yea sorry about that, I should've been more specific. I'm talking about the main menu image, not the cutscene. I can't even make it to the New Game feature to start a game in New Vegas lol. I've considered using Mod Organizer but I hear it has some problems with UI mods and ehhh I don't know if it's worth risking it (although at this point I doubt I have a lot to lose haha)

@Arkngt Will do, should be updated now with a pastebin link ^_^ And yea, that was entirely my fault. I tend to get a bit carried away when I see all the cool mods the community has put out. That being said, I do plan on reverting to a clean TTW install like I had before if I can't fix it soon.

@RoyBatty The ESP sorting section seems terrifying, but I'll start working on it and update if it fixes anything.

Thanks for the help guys! I'll see if anything changes and will update accordingly!

edit : @AnvilOfWar more often than not I do read the Mod Authors instructions, at least what's listed on the front page. I admit I did skim quite a bit while installing these mods though, due to my excitement. You're right though, I should have been more careful. And ya know, I had a feeling I had read somewhere I couldn't use Better Game Performance, but when I went back and tried to find it on the Do Not Use section of the FAQ, I couldn't! I'll uninstall it right away, thank you!

Post by **Trm8r** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:13 pm

If the other guys didn't mention it, don't install any mods (except TTW) until you've left the vault. I save just before going outside, pop out to let the DLC's start, pop back in, save, then start with the mod installs.

The load order is on the Alpha download page. I'm still on 2.4 but pretty sure the default start should vault 101.

Post by **krell55** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:25 pm

Pre order pack load order for TTW More Perks is on is page under Installation https://taleoftwowastelands.com/content/more-perks-ttw

Post by **Roxas** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:34 pm

Welp, spent half an hour fixing up my load order in accordance with the recommended load order given on this site. Here's the updated load order : http://pastebin.com/9AVVt21v

Nothing has changed, game still before the main menu pops up. If you want to see what it looks like you can click on the original video link since nothing has changed :/

Any ideas?