Save Issue Error: Endless Loading Screen, Worked Fine Before

Post by **Sekundes** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:52 am

Long story short, I installed and played TTW for about 4 hours yesterday, saved, turned it off to get some dinner, came back and now I'm stuck in an endless loading screen when I try to reload any save, and end up having to force quit via task manager. At first, I thought that this might have been an issue with New Vegas not liking that I was using a version that had mods in the Data folder from when I was using Nexus Mod Manager, so I cleared all the mods out of the Data folder, Mods folder, un-installed and re-installed New Vegas and Fallout 3, and then got new, clean patched files by deleting the old .fomod versions of TTW and creating new ones. I installed the new TTW .fomods with FOMM, and only those .fomods, however I am still getting the same issue. My specs are below. Please help me find a solution, I really want to get back to playing!

FOMM Version: 0.14.11.9

Operating System: WIndows 7 64 bit

Processor: 3770 Intel quad core i7

Memory: 16 gig RAM

Fallout 3 Version: Steam Game of the Year

Current Load Order:

[X] FalloutNV.esm

[X] DeadMoney.esm

[X] HonestHearts.esm

[X] OldWorldBlues.esm

[X] LonesomeRoad.esm

[X] GunRunnersArsenal.esm

[X] CaravanPack.esm

[X] ClassicPack.esm

[X] MercenaryPack.esm

[X] TribalPack.esm

[X] Fallout3.esm

[X] Anchorage.esm

[X] ThePitt.esm

[X] BrokenSteel.esm

[X] PointLookout.esm

[X] Zeta.esm

[X] TaleOfTwoWastelands.esm

[X] ttw_wildwasteland.esp

[X] TTWOptions.esp

[X] TTW_StashPackOptions.esp

[X] TTW_StartupMenu.esp

[X] TTW_SpeechChecks.esp

[X] TTW_OutcastTrading.esp

[X] TTW_NoKarmaDCFollowers.esp

[X] TTW_AnchorageCustomization.esp

TWW Install Log:

[6/7/2015 7:07:58 PM]   Version 2.7.5.0

[6/7/2015 7:07:58 PM]   64-bit architecture found.

[6/7/2015 7:07:58 PM]   Looking for Fallout3.exe

[6/7/2015 7:07:58 PM]       Found.

[6/7/2015 7:07:58 PM]   Looking for FalloutNV.exe

[6/7/2015 7:07:58 PM]       Found.

[6/7/2015 7:07:58 PM]   Looking for Tale of Two Wastelands

[6/7/2015 7:07:58 PM]       Default path found.

[6/7/2015 7:08:00 PM]   Checking for required files...

[6/7/2015 7:08:00 PM]   NVSE found

[6/7/2015 7:08:00 PM]   All files found.

[6/7/2015 7:08:00 PM]   Creating FOMOD foundation

[6/7/2015 7:08:00 PM]   Building Fallout3 - Meshes

[6/7/2015 7:08:24 PM]   Build successful.

[6/7/2015 7:08:24 PM]   Building Fallout3 - Misc

[6/7/2015 7:08:24 PM]   Build successful.

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Post by **JaxFirehart** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:18 am

For future reference, it is generally better to attach a file containing your load order and install log rather than copy-pasting it. A lot of the time forums will flag long lists such as that as spam and either delete your post or require an admin to authorize it. No harm here though.

Read this thread over.

Does that sound like your problem?

Post by **Sekundes** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:29 am

Sorry about the long post, will remember that for the future.

Also no, my problem does not sound like that thread. The game simply will not load, no matter how long I leave it to try. It does this even with all other mods uninstalled with just TTW_Main and TTW_Options installed and active. The only thing I can do with it once it reaches loading screen and stops responding is to kill it from task manager.

Post by **JaxFirehart** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:05 am

Have you grabbed the newest TTWOptions from the download page, just to be sure? Or, better yet, have you tried loading the game with ONLY TaleOfTwoWastelands active? If you load an earlier save, does that change anything? If you can successfully load an older save, try loading that older save and then loading your most recent save from within the successfully loaded older save.

Post by **Sekundes** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:33 am

Yes, I have the latest installs for everything, I downloaded it all yesterday (6/6/2015). Even with JUST the TTW_main .esm, it still hangs and freezes until the point comes where I have to kill it from task manager. Trying to load an earlier save gets the same thing, an endless loading screen that I have to kill at task manager.

Post by **JaxFirehart** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:38 am

OK, I'm confused. There IS NO TTW_Main.esm. There is TTW_Main.fomod but a fomod and an ESM are very different.

Has this save EVER had ANY mods active that you didn't list in your initial post? It's possible that some leftover data from a now disabled mod is still causing problems.

Can you start a new game? If so, start a new game and try again to load one of your recent saves from within the new game.

Post by **Sekundes** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:04 am

Ok, my bad, it's TaleofTwoWastelands.esm, I got it mixed up with the .fomod.

And starting a new game and loading from that point worked, and just to check, I went back out to the open world (Captial Wasteland), saved there, exited to desktop, and can load back in from that point just fine without having to start a new game.

Thank you so much for the help and the fix.

Post by **JaxFirehart** » Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:55 am

No problem, glad it helped. Wasn't trying to be pedantic about the fomod/esm, just wanted to make sure we were on the same page and you weren't toggling the FOMOD expecting it to do something.

Post by **AnvilOfWar** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:37 pm

@TriOptimum, my suggestion is to use the CASM mod, it's an excellent save managing system, the default NV save system is sadly prone to problems and corrupt saves.

http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/45652/?

You will also need the MCM mod (for the settings adjustments) and its update patch, which you should likely be using anyway.