Extreme freezing and performance issues

[mishaxhi]

Recently re-installed NV, FO3 and TTW for a new playthrough. Complete clean install.

I've used TTW before and it's always worked flawlessly (first time using 2.2 though) but this time I'm getting really bad performance issues.

The main issue is saving. Quicksaving or autosaving takes around 30 seconds, during which the game s frozen. Disabling them and installing CASM didn't help, it still freezes. Entering an interior cell can take up to a minute.

I've been using pretty much the same load order for a long time now, just adding small mods here and there. I'm not sure where the problem is. Any help is appreciated.

 

FalloutNV.esm

DeadMoney.esm

HonestHearts.esm

OldWorldBlues.esm

LonesomeRoad.esm

GunRunnersArsenal.esm

ClassicPack.esm

MercenaryPack.esm

TribalPack.esm

CaravanPack.esm

Companion Core.esm

CFWNV.esm

Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm

NSkies URWLified.esm

Primary Needs HUD.esm

Project Nevada - Core.esm

Project Nevada - Equipment.esm

ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm

ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm

New Vegas Redesigned II.esm

Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp

Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp

T6M Equipment Replacer NV.esm

Niner.esm

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

TaleOfTwoWastelands.esm

streetlights.esm

TTWInteriors_Core.esm

TTWInteriorsProject_Combo.esm

The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

The Weapon Mod Menu.esp

populatedcasino.esp

Project Nevada - Dead Money.esp

Project Nevada - Honest Hearts.esp

Project Nevada - Old World Blues (No Cyberware).esp

Project Nevada - Lonesome Road.esp

Project Nevada - Gun Runners' Arsenal.esp

CONELRAD 640-1240.esp

RNVExtended[20]v3b1.esp

outsidebets.esp

IntuitiveRealisticCooking.esp

AK47.esp

M14.esp

mac10.esp

PancorJH.esp

ADAM - MAIN.esp

ADAM - HH.esp

ADAM - LR.esp

ADAM - Rangers on Patrol.esp

ADAM - Outcast Ranger Armour.esp

ADAM - Nemesis Armours.esp

ADAM - Trooper Gloves.esp

ADAM - NCR Patrol Armour.esp

ADAM - Project Nevada Patch.esp

FlashlightNVSE.esp

NVR- Recommended.esp

New Vegas redesigned- Honest Hearts.esp

Realistic_Repair_NV.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp

dD-More Gore.esp

WeaponJamming.esp

WMXUE.esp

WMXUE-PN.esp

EVE FNV - ALL DLC.esp

Project Nevada - EVE All DLC.esp

Vurt's WFO.esp

NSkies URWLifiedOWB.esp

NSkies URWLifiedHH.esp

NSkies URWLifiedDM.esp

Interior Lighting Overhaul - Ultimate Edition.esp

ILO - NSkies URWLified Patch.esp

DYNAVISION 2 - Dynamic Lens Effect.esp

Receding Hairstyle.esp

CFW-PN-DLC.esp

CFW-DLC.esp

WMXUE-EVE.esp

mossberg500.esp

CNR_Beta.esp

RealSmokes.esp

HomemadeSMG.esp

MP412REX.esp

Millenia_Tokarev.esp

C1849.esp

BM4A1.esp

MauserC96.esp

MaresLeg.esp

KABAR.esp

Remington870SO.esp

M37Ithaca.esp

SKS.esp

AKS74u.esp

Mateba.esp

Uzi.esp

MB500.esp

1nivVSLArmors.esp

RagingBull.esp

1nivPNSLPatch.esp

CShotgun.esp

SVT40.esp

WMXUE-CouriersStash.esp

SW38S.esp

FBSykes.esp

AN94.esp

VSS_Vintorez.esp

Duplet.esp

AK74.esp

AEK971.esp

G43.esp

Gyrojet.esp

PPSh41.esp

HKUSP.esp

Makarov.esp

Beards.esp

DLC Weapon Integration - WMX.esp

9A91.esp

TFH Rugged Race.esp

1911.esp

Ruger Mini-14 Ver1.0.esp

Saiga12.esp

robcocraftomaticsuite_edisleado.esp

XCE.esp

NinerExtra.esp

TTW_XPReduction.esp

TTW_MoreCookingItems.esp

TTW_NoKarmaDCFollowers.esp

TTW_StashPackOptions.esp

TTW_Bobbleheads.esp

More2Megaton.esp

StenMkII.esp

ASVAL.esp

L96.esp

B92FS.esp

ScottmackImprovisedPPSh.esp

ttw_less_firearms.esp

ttw_guaranteed_ammo.esp

MP.esp



Total active plugins: 141

Total plugins: 141





 

[TrickyVein]

You don't have an inkling of an idea of what's causing performance issues when you're using 141 plugins?

Then allow me help: it's probably because of all of all of those extra plugins that you have loaded. Also check your load order. It is incorrect (I could've sworn it was posted on the site, somewhere). 

There's no 'quick-fix' for this - it all depends on how much time you're willing to invest in your load order to find conflicts between mods and dirty edits; it may even be advantageous to merge plugins together. 

Get FNVEdit and look at your plugins, first. Then you'll have a better idea of where the conflicts lie. 

[mishaxhi]

I was running more on my last install and had no problems. Having too many plugins tends to result in missing meshes and textures, not random freezes.

Anyway, I'll cut some out and see what happens.

- going down to 100~ fixed nothing.

[plumjuice]

Did you fix the load order as well? Also I call Supreme Bullshit on you having no problems before, as that would make you the luckiest person on the planet.

As for reducing the amount of mods, it isnt like you are running 141 PN's or NVEC's, you have a bunch of single weapon mods, quite a few compat patches and DLC patches, and some miniscule stuff like ADAM. If you just took away a few of the smaller mods, it isn't the same as you getting rid of New Vegas Redesigned, or NSkies or Flashlight.

As Tricky suggested, open up the whole lot in fnvedit, have a look around and see if anything horrifically bad is going on. I am also pretty sure you can merge all Millenia's (and indeed most singular) weapon mods into one plugin.

With that many mods, a bashed and/or merged patch is a necessity. I hope you have one and have simply excluded it from the posted list.

You may also want to try CASM. It is heads above the vanilla "autosave" system

[TJ]

Also, any FO3 mods converted for 1.4a will kill 2.2a. They have to be redone.

[MrMedicinal]

Personally i find that CASM is a bit unstable for my PC, and it caused similar freezing issues, but only when using TTW. This is undoubtedly due to the fact i have very low RAM (Not TTW, or CASM's fault), but i figured i would also suggest FNVincrementalsaver, since it does almost the same thing as CASM, but without the automated save, and one less plugin. Plus since i dropped CASM and now only use FNVincrementalsaver i found that fixed most freezing issues. (For me)

[JaxFirehart]

I have great results with CASM but also have plenty of RAM. I prefer CASM because of the automated saves (I'm terrible about making regular saves).

How many save files do you have in my documents/my games/fallout new vegas/saves?

I've noticed that having a LARGE amount of saves in there can actually cause issues. I keep mine trimmed to no more than 20 saves and keep backups in a separate folder if necessary.

[TJ]

[quote=JaxFirehart]

I have great results with CASM but also have plenty of RAM. I prefer CASM because of the automated saves (I'm terrible about making regular saves).

[/quote]

Seconded. CASM- 20 saves, every 5 min or upon doing something.

[MrMedicinal]

[quote=JaxFirehart]

How many save files do you have in my documents/my games/fallout new vegas/saves?

I've noticed that having a LARGE amount of saves in there can actually cause issues. I keep mine trimmed to no more than 20 saves and keep backups in a separate folder if necessary.

[/quote]

Agreed, i trim mine down after i reach like 15 to 30 saves. (A guesstimate since i do it manually in game, when ever it feels right. ) It does seem to help.

I really miss CASM, but do to my 3 GB of RAM i had to drop it in order to stop my game from freezing in the CW. Damn cheap laptops... 

[mishaxhi]

Alright, I've removed all mods that only effect New Vegas (other than those with Project Nevada patches), and condensed it down to this.

 

FalloutNV.esm

DeadMoney.esm

HonestHearts.esm

OldWorldBlues.esm

LonesomeRoad.esm

GunRunnersArsenal.esm

ClassicPack.esm

MercenaryPack.esm

TribalPack.esm

CaravanPack.esm

CFWNV.esm

Interior Lighting Overhaul - Core.esm

Primary Needs HUD.esm

Project Nevada - Core.esm

Project Nevada - Equipment.esm

ELECTRO-CITY - CompletedWorkorders.esm

ELECTRO-CITY - Highways and Byways.esm

Project Nevada - Rebalance.esp

Project Nevada - Cyberware.esp

T6M Equipment Replacer NV.esm

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

TaleOfTwoWastelands.esm

streetlights.esm

TTWInteriors_Core.esm

TTWInteriorsProject_Combo.esm

The Mod Configuration Menu.esp

The Weapon Mod Menu.esp

Project Nevada - Dead Money.esp

Project Nevada - Honest Hearts.esp

Project Nevada - Old World Blues (No Cyberware).esp

Project Nevada - Lonesome Road.esp

Project Nevada - Gun Runners' Arsenal.esp

IntuitiveRealisticCooking.esp

ADAM - MAIN.esp

ADAM - HH.esp

ADAM - LR.esp

ADAM - Rangers on Patrol.esp

ADAM - Outcast Ranger Armour.esp

ADAM - Nemesis Armours.esp

ADAM - Trooper Gloves.esp

ADAM - NCR Patrol Armour.esp

ADAM - Project Nevada Patch.esp

FlashlightNVSE.esp

Realistic_Repair_NV.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main NV.esp

dD-More Gore.esp

WeaponJamming.esp

WMXUE.esp

WMXUE-PN.esp

EVE FNV - ALL DLC.esp

Project Nevada - EVE All DLC.esp

Interior Lighting Overhaul - Ultimate Edition.esp

DYNAVISION 2 - Dynamic Lens Effect.esp

Receding Hairstyle.esp

CFW-PN-DLC.esp

CFW-DLC.esp

WMXUE-EVE.esp

RealSmokes.esp

1nivVSLArmors.esp

1nivPNSLPatch.esp

WMXUE-CouriersStash.esp

Beards.esp

DLC Weapon Integration - WMX.esp

robcocraftomaticsuite_edisleado.esp

TTW_XPReduction.esp

TTW_MoreCookingItems.esp

TTW_NoKarmaDCFollowers.esp

TTW_StashPackOptions.esp

TTW_Bobbleheads.esp

More2Megaton.esp

ttw_less_firearms.esp

ttw_guaranteed_ammo.esp

XCE.esp



Total active plugins: 78

Total plugins: 81

 

Gone through all of the ttw mods, and I'm sure all of them are for the current version. Do 2.0 mods work with 2.2? If not that might be the problem.

FNVEdit isn't throwing up any big errors, lets me build a merged ptch without putting up a fight. Guess I'll scour it for every little thing though, seen as I'm still having problems.

Also, save folder is... huge. Mostly thanks to mod testing. I'll cut it down.

 

- no dice. Even if I disable all mods other than TTW, the problem persists. I've tried a full reinstall of NV, FO3 and TTW.

Well, damn. Not ruling out hardware failure at this point.

 

- should note that vanilla NV runs fine, no issues at all. Running TTW with no mods at all still causes the problems. Not blaming it, it's worked perfectly for me before and I've undoubtedly arsed something up on my end, but I just have no idea what it is.

Currently reinstalling FO3, then TTW. It's my last idea.